Admin comment: Ridiculing operating systems or other software that one does not favour, and the organisations that provide them, is a highly developed art form carried on with, no doubt, great skill in many internet forums. This is not one of them. People are most welcome to post factual information regarding the pros and cons of various O/S's that are pertinent to solving users' problems and/or providing guidance re how various requirements may be best met. Conversely, comments using terms such as buggy, unsecure, insecure, truly broken, .... and other expressions of opinion and broad generalisations without accompanying specific instances and / or factual support are best taken to forums where there is no need to establish the merit or accuracy of any claim. (Posts made primarily for the purposes of documenting specific instances of problems etc in such software are also far better made elsewhere. FWIW: 1. I have no axe to grind on Microsoft's behalf - but note that, while a number of 'alternative' products do do a good job of providing the functionality in each of the key areas, the integrated nature of their suite of 'Office' products is unmatched by any competitor. 2. Anyone advising others that if they run my_preferred_OS then " there is NO NEED for antivirus/malware ..." may wish to ensure that their associated disclaimers of liability are legally bulletproof". Russell McMahon PICList admin 1 of N, or whatever. > --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .