Since we're on, or at least near, the subject... Best for killing bees/wasps/hornets - a little dish soap in water. The soap lowers the surface tension and the drown almost immediately. Any sort of sprayer is good, but there's one product that is almost ideal for the task... A super soaker. -Denny --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .