I'm in the process of rebuilding our production line test system. The core machine which runs everything is a linux box. Everything is great - linux is an awesome system to code this type of system in--Well at least until you get to the point of actually wanting to drive a PIC programmer in a production environment, at which point the support sucks rocks. The best support I've found so far is a ICD3 with the newer mplab x derived tools. But it fails regularly for no apparent reason. And is very slow. I've tried others but have given up in frustration. I'm not opposed to paying a good chunk of change for the right programmer. Most important is that it has to work well under Linux. All I'm really looking for is a command line tool which I can say 'program hex file X into the part, and verify'. And which is fast-ish. And reliable. That's about it. As I'm sure someone will ask, I'm programming PIC18f26k22's, PIC18F67J60's, and I think the final one is a PIC18F47J53. Any suggestions? -forrest --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .