> brought back fond memory's of my Dragon32 Nice one I don't know what the capabilities of the high-end PICAXEs are (they're all based on 18F AFAIK, so doubt they are a match for a 32MX) but you can't beat theMicromite on price because the PICAXE O/S is pre-loaded and isn't free For example comparing the PICAXE-28X2 (18F25K20) PICAXE-28X2, NZ$17.74 @ 10 18F25K20, NZ$2.83 @ 10 32MX150, NZ$4.07 @ 10 http://www.surplustronics.co.nz/categories/250-picaxe All of these micro-based systems (including Raspberry Pi and Arduino) are good tools, even on just an entertainment level. Although I get the feeling that students, in NZ anyway, are not being thoroughly taught (or practicing or researching) the basics of circuit design to be able to make best use of them. eg some common components like FETs are unknown. However, RF modules, LCDs, small transistors, thermistors, LEDs etc do get a pretty good workout, even if many students don't understand why they were chosen or how they work. Joe --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .