I think I mentioned him before here, I am a great fan of Daniel Winter, who is an electronic engineer and a pioneer of a whole new science! I call him the living Einstein, but I am aware that his info might not be accessible to those that haven't made peace with concepts such as Kundalini and Shamanism! So please don't bother to comment if you are such a critic! The device that I have wished to acquire for a while is called a brain or heart tuner. It analyzes the energy spectrum of real time EKG, and helps you to close a feedbackloop, so you know when certain energy spectra (goden ratio) are achieved, and thereby you are able to reach heightend state of awareness (bliss)! Here are some videos showing the utilization of the tuner hard and software= : heart tuner Bliss Tuner - March 2007 Update http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DMw9fjLYvr5Q Dan Winter - The Wind on Which Love Travel. 1. _ Light your own Fire http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DTHu2iaXFzQw I asked Dan about Intellectual property issues: [20:42:25] Tobias Gogolin: I realize that calling for the formation of a working group for an open source implementation (with your support an blessing) could also cause independent competitive implementations, I suppose its acceptable since it is all for the greater benefit!? What do you think? [21:05:05] Tobias Gogolin: Are there any patent issues that need to be considered /circumvented? [21:05:35] daniel winter: no - I own the invention of heart coherence- - http://goldenmean.info/heartjournal [21:05:55] daniel winter: and I am interested- appropriate next step for our http://heartsring.com project [21:06:02] daniel winter: I am willing [21:07:35] Tobias Gogolin: Thank you! Knowing that a wide range of hardware (starting from a sound card/microphone input) should be able to work with open source project I asked Dan: [21:11:45] Tobias Gogolin: I am preparing to ask the guys from the global 'MIT PIClist' first, so open Hardware is also very feasible and should probably be included in the project!? [21:14:13] daniel winter: we built of lovetuner- sequel to bliss tuner eeg- http://goldenmean.info/clinicalintro/ to be compatible to open source eeg project [21:14:50] Tobias Gogolin: preexisting ! wonderful! http://openeeg.sourceforge.net/doc/ Anyhow I know that some of you guys put together some acquisition hardware in minutes! So it is not excluded and always constitutes room for improvement! So ladies and gentleman - I am calling for participants and project leaders= ! Please respond on or off list! Thank You! Bonus transcript of my communication with Dan: [01:45:10] Tobias Gogolin: thank you! [01:45:13] Tobias Gogolin: I wonder If an Inexpensive PC osciloscope could work with your tuner software? [01:46:10] Tobias Gogolin: knowing that you made an Iphone app, but I dont use Iphone, and its expensive too [01:46:59] Tobias Gogolin: the Chineese are unbeatable in making very affordable hardware; for example: Hantek1008B 8CH PC USB Oscilloscope/DAQ/8CH Programmable Generator 2.4MSa/s <100$US [17:23:19] Tobias Gogolin: You know I meant to ask weather it might be interesting to port the Brain/Heart tuner project to cheap USB Osciloscope hardware? [17:23:35] Tobias Gogolin: maybe make it an open source project? [17:24:10] daniel winter: it is difficult- my current programmer is http://heartsring.com project [17:24:45] daniel winter: the old programmer for http://goldenmean.info/hearttunerspecial tried to take the project- not good- [17:26:07] Tobias Gogolin: I heard about that! [17:26:43] Tobias Gogolin: If you release the 'idea' into the open source community it will be safe there! [17:27:08] Tobias Gogolin: People will benefit! [17:28:19] Tobias Gogolin: or is there a patent problem? [19:17:07] Tobias Gogolin: I understand you need to make revenue... [19:34:26] Tobias Gogolin: You would be able to package and sell calibrated devices at your shows! [19:34:58] Tobias Gogolin: there will be exponential rise in demand as more people learn to attain bliss naturally! [19:35:58] Tobias Gogolin: Open Source is the only platform that can handle potential repercussions of those that are against the pursuit of enlightenment! [19:37:12] daniel winter: programmer able to do 2nd order power spectra array and display- after sampling EKG- requires serious skill [19:44:00] Tobias Gogolin: I have great faith in the open source community [19:44:49] Tobias Gogolin: is it time critical and require specialized hard= ware? [19:45:23] daniel winter: happy to talk to anyone who has done a 2nd order power spectra (cep strum) - on ekg - amplitude peak proportion to internal coherence- articles: http://goldenmean.info/coherence http://fractalfield.com/coherence [19:47:19] Tobias Gogolin: do you mind if I ask around for people to initiate such an open source effort with your support? [19:47:54] daniel winter: sure- we would like to implement ekg and eeg transducer to iphone [19:48:15] daniel winter: for http://heartsring.com [19:49:04] Tobias Gogolin: I gather that any soundcard input is good enough? a dedicated oscilloscope isn't even required? [19:49:51] daniel winter: sound cards often lose resolution sampling below 20 Hz- which is where much of the EKG data lies [19:50:32] Tobias Gogolin: ok, real dc coupling is essential then [19:51:20] daniel winter: typical ekg signal is 1 to 5 millivolts, reg 1-5 microvolt- need preamp and A/D [19:53:59] Tobias Gogolin: I see, quite amazing that you can discern anything in noisy city environments [19:55:24] daniel winter: we use lo pass , and also 50/60 Hz switchable notch filters..- [19:57:11] Tobias Gogolin: Do you have any preference where such an open source effort should be hosted? [19:57:37] daniel winter: flexible [19:58:22] Tobias Gogolin: maybe some day it will come with Linux distributions! Imagine! [20:04:51] Tobias Gogolin: Would you suggest a project name? [20:05:28] daniel winter: global heart coherence [20:05:47] Tobias Gogolin: Thank you! --=20 Tobias Gogolin Tel. 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