On Mon, 2014-02-03 at 14:05 -0700, Denny Esterline wrote: > BTW, these are security devices... trying to circumvent it not recommende= d > or supported by this list. Yikes, overreaction much? Simply wanting to know what a chip is doesn't necessarily mean somebody is trying to break into Fort Knox. In addition: do you presume to speak for EVERY SINGLE PERSON on this list? FWIW, "trying to circumvent" is something I think MANY are interested in, for the simple reason to truly understand how secure something is.=20 If you immediately were to shut down every single person interested in the least in a "security product" we'd be in a REALLY sorry state. Research into security items has exposed glaring holes and gaps in design, resulting in more secure products. I'm a little touchy on this sort of thing because there is a dangerous drive on many forums and lists I read to shut down ANYTHING that could lead to "circumventing" security, and I don't believe that is a good thing. TTYL --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .