On Sat, 11 Jan 2014 21:16:04 -0600, you wrote: >I've been looking into buying a used 10-15 year old pick and place=20 >system with feeders. > >I can buy a high performance and easy to use old machine for half the=20 >cost of a new, low end, hard to use system... so that's what I plan on=20 >doing. I don't really need anything better than 0402 and a good enough=20 >vision system to do 0.8mm pitch BGAs at the moment... so the vintage I'm=20 >looking at seems perfect. >What would really help for that would be a base machine that is either=20 >open enough in specification or hackable enough to heavily modify. I'd=20 >hate to have to throw out all the electronics and rebuild the machine in=20 >a way I can use and maintain. Can't advise on specific models - in practice it's going to be down to what you can get where you are. Info is pretty thin on the ground, but a few possible information sources :=20 http://forums.adafruit.com/viewforum.php?f=3D42 (has a Long thread about hacking an old Mydata) http://www.smtnet.com/forums/ My forum - primarily aimed at Versatronics, but also covers other low-end machines.=20 http://electricstuff.co.uk/forum/ I went through this process a few years ago - ended up buying a Versatronics RV4, which is still probably one of the smallest, most viable machine for the money - you won't find these outside UK or maybe South Africa though Also worth talking to manufacturers as many offer used machines with support. --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .