There is always a trade off. Fast snubbing of the coils causes significantly slower contact opening, which can cause arcing and welding. Snubbing with a zener across the transistor improves the turn off time by as much as 3x, and with proper selection of the zener the transistors are safe. I use this extensively to protect our relay drivers and we make a lot of devices with relays. If there is enough capacitance in the wiring to the relays, there may be fast current spikes during turn on. I would be surprised if there was enough cable involved. The chips died, something killed them. --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .