> 30 volts is certainly enough to feel unpleasant Really? I have a 50V supply, and I just licked my finger and put it across= the terminals at 30V, and I didn't feel a thing. Not at 50V, either=85 Now, I remember getting an almost-unpleasant tingle out of a 90V drycell ba= ck in the neon-bulb oscillator days=85 Worse if you have cuts, and salt water, and stuff, of course=85 BillW --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .