> I did find a wire recorder which I now have, and it works well Funny, I saw one of those in a film the other day. It's at 1h18m in "Dick Tracy", when Tracy is grilling Mumbles Apparently you can make a crude recorder with a bandsaw, but I've never got around to trying it Joe --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .