How about giving up the copper pipe and hunting down something like a=20 ceramic Tea Pot or a Coffee cup? If the copper pipe is essential, how about clamping one (or more) $4=20 soldering irons to the copper pipe with hose clamps? Also a hot air gun will do it. Or just set it on a hot plate? {snip-snip} --=20 John Ferrell W8CCW "The pessimist complains about the wind; The optimist expects it to change; The realist adjusts the sails." William A. Ward --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .