> what were those beastly boards? The particular board I'm staring at is a T1/E1 interface board from a cisco= -5800 access server. It implements 12x channelized T1/E1 interfaces (360 channels!), so it has 1= 2 T1/E1 controllers, a bunch of FPGAs, a not-insignificant MIPS cpu, and in= terface(s) to the system backplane(s). Other boards in the system included= a main CPU, and a 120-channel modem card (obviously a rather dated board. = Dial-up; how quaint!) http://necsweb.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5= fb8d27136e95/D/S/DS58-12CE1.JPG > the best bang for your buck in automation in PCB layout is in constraints= and rule sets, so the tool will tell you whether the trace you just routed To be fair, I never watched anyone route a board of this class, nor have I = used a PCB package of the class involved. I get the distinct impression th= at there are features that would seriously blur the distinction between aut= o-routing and manual routing as defined by a simpler program like EAGLE (su= rely they didn't lay out the 12x T1 front ends separately, one at a time.) = I also get the impression that a statement like "I lay out the critical n= ets by hand and only let the autorouter handle the simple and easy stuff" s= till leaves more being autorouted than any board floating around the open-s= ource HW world=85 BillW --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .