> Another fun thing to collect is cordless drills ..... They are excellent value for money. Once the generally crappy battery has died you're left with a torquey little motor and gearbox > winches I've had two winch projects using old drills. One was a curtain opener/closer, the other is a work-in-progress, a basic TV lift. Very simple. Motor, wire, pulleys and guides I did for a moment think about applying a stepper to the curtain idea but it hasn't really got the poke. A pulley system as in the TV lift would be a good (and unconventional these days) way to add mechanical advantage for experimenters Joe --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .