I have been tinkering off and on with a machine to drill PC boards. Just=20 for myself, no commercial interest. Building equipment with all new=20 parts just does not fit into my life style! I have this big milling=20 machine (about 800 pounds) but it has a lot of friction, more than I=20 think practical for stepper motors. I have been using the $6-$10 variety=20 that normally run from 4 AA batteries. They simply cannot handle the load. I am looking toward a 3 point=20 remedy for that problem. First, disassemble, clean & lube the XY table. =20 Next, use bigger electric screw guns to get more torque. And last, =20 Reduction gears to drive the table slower on the same power. None of=20 these solutions has much to do with electronics. Distance sensing has=20 worked well with micro-switches on the hand-wheels. One revolution =3D=20 0.100 inch. My reduction gear uses a worm & spur for a garage door=20 opener at $16 and is pretty good for its cost. Tiny belts, pulleys and=20 gears are particularly pricey. I have decided that the hardest parts of=20 most projects are the packaging and mechanical considerations. I did=20 not know what a boring job it was to drill holes in PC boards until I=20 started to have some success at Toner Transfer Boards! I have been away from IBM for over 20 years now, but the big Steppers=20 were used to move paper in some of the printers then. When they would=20 screw up it was always an expensive repair. Mectronics & robotics are coming on strong. I wonder if the kids are=20 really learning anything plugging Arduino boards together... Hopefully the next project will be remote controlling the tractor....=20 The steering is fully hydraulic. On 5/20/2013 5:26 PM, IVP wrote: >> Arduinos seem to be ubiquitous because they're really good at >> what they do... making entry level electronics easy. Use that, >> don't resent it. > Didn't intend to come across as snippy. Arduino is a good tool > > I'm mosty just disappointed that the enthusiasm and/or imagination > for adding a couple of LEDs or sensors to one and calling it a > "project" doesn't seem to extend much further than that > > Maybe it's engineering/workshop resources that are lacking. I'll > have to look into that > > Joe --=20 John Ferrell W8CCW That which can be destroyed by the truth should be. P.C. HODGELL =20 --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .