> How about spinning a row of LEDs and printing messages / > patterns in the air ? Possibly. Depending on the PSU, these steppers are probably good for 5 revs/sec. Might be fast enough I did have the thought the other day of using an air transformer to couple power to a circuit on a PC fan, which cuts down on the engineering to make a propellor clock Joe --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .