> Arduinos seem to be ubiquitous because they're really good at=20 > what they do... making entry level electronics easy. Use that, > don't resent it. Didn't intend to come across as snippy. Arduino is a good tool I'm mosty just disappointed that the enthusiasm and/or imagination for adding a couple of LEDs or sensors to one and calling it a "project" doesn't seem to extend much further than that Maybe it's engineering/workshop resources that are lacking. I'll have to look into that Joe --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .