I put a warble tone out on a known buried wire today, using a copper water pipe outside my house for ground. The water pipe doesn't go underground except way on the other end of the house, so it was sub-optimal.=20 It worked great for the wire above ground, easily four feet away my detector was clipping.=20 But as soon as the wire went underground I got nothing, absolutely nothing. The test wire is in a plastic conduit less than a foot below ground. My setup used a warble tone on an MP3 player running into a reasonably-capable integrated amplifier putting out about 25 VAC. For the detector I had a telephone handset amplifier I modified for high input impedance and a stiff wire probe about a foot long. The buried wire was a power cable, I also tried driving one conductor signal hot and another signal ground. Not very mych range aboveground, nothing below. I'll try again driving in a local ground stake. Bob --=20 http://www.fastmail.fm - The professional email service --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .