....Original valve was V'd in across face severely so there was a notch well up into the thicker stem section. Immensely "burned"... You must not have had access to an arc welder, although a reasonable facsimile thereof can often be rigged with an auto alternator. On 2nd thought, probably not a good idea with "Prince of Darkness" electrics... --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .