As long as we're grumbling about MPlab... (or not, but never one to miss an opportunity :-) ) Is it just me or is the way it insists on managing the project file and the make file with absolute paths for every file a complete pain? Am I missing a simple way to make it use relative path names instead? -Denny On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 1:14 PM, Martin G. McCormick < martin@server1.shellworld.net> wrote: > Peter Johansson writes: > > The MPLAB-X IDE is based on NetBeans, which is in turn based on > > Java/JVM. My guess here is that the problem lays in how the JVM > > interfaces with OS/X. The OS/X API was designed with accessibility in > > mind from the start which is why most native OS/X apps handle > > accessibility so well -- if you code properly for OS/X you get that > > for free. If you are looking to point fingers, a more likely > > direction is Java, not MicroChip. > > I certainly don't blame Microchip. That's what makes > this all so %@!** frustrating. This is all supposed to be the > interface for the masses yet it is dependent on a giant chain of > libraries and back-end processing that must work flawlessly like > some Rube Goldberg machine in which one rings a bell after the > dominoes fall, hitting the little man who lands on a fulcrum, > catapulting the ball which hits the arm that taps the bell. > > One of the things I really began to love about Unix when > I began to learn about it years ago was the concept of many > small blocks, each doing one thing well, combined to do complex > tasks that the developers never anticipated. > > > However, you should be aware that MPLAB-X is based on top of > > command-line compilers, and there is nothing stopping you from using > > them with without the NetBeans/Java IDE. You can use all of the > > latest compilers with the editor of your choice. Personally, I am not > > a fan of "modern" GUI-based IDEs, so in my opinion you are not losing > > anything by not using them. > > > > You may very well need an assistant to get the compiler tools > > installed (which is indeed unfortunate) but once you have done so you > > should be good to go on your own with the command-line tools. > > If I ever figure out how to get my best Intel box to run > gnome under Linux which also has a good screen reader, I will > try this all again. It will still be depending on java but the > platform may let the installer work. There is a similar problem > right now with firefox for the Mac versus firefox for Linux. > Firefox for Linux is reportedly very accessible in gnome. On the > Mac, firefox is improving but it isn't there yet. > > Thank you. It's good to know that the compilers are > likely to work if the GUI will just get out of the way. > > Martin > -- > http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive > View/change your membership options at > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist > --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .