That also goes back to the Line Drawing System designed by Evans & Sutherla= nd http://archive.computerhistory.org/resources/text/Evans_Sutherland/EvansSut= herland.3D.1974.102646288.pdf This was used for schematic capture...and I used it for a few years before= we updated to OrCad. I think we called it Cadol....but its been a few yea= rs back. One of our groups also spawned ProE I believe as well...they sold= it off as it was not part of the core business I also started the PCB world in red/blue tape, then moved to Smartwork usin= g a Hercules mono card, and then to OrCad on DOS. The PCB side did have th= e gerber drivers...I just sent the files to the board shop at that point an= d they sent back the film with the boards. -----Original Message----- From: piclist-bounces@mit.edu [mailto:piclist-bounces@mit.edu] On Behalf Of= William "Chops" Westfield Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 9:29 PM To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. Subject: Re: [OT] Signed Apple I for sale On Apr 29, 2013, at 4:18 PM, IVP wrote: > When did (proper) PCB CAD start ? I find claims that Stanford's SUDS ("Stanford University Design/Drawing Sys= tem) was the "first interactive CAD system for electronics/computer design"= , and there are articles on it dating back to 1974 or so. SUDS was used to= design the DEC KL10 (1975), Foonly F1, The Livermore S1 supercomputer, Ear= ly SUN boards (~1982), early cisco boards (~1989), and I don't know what el= se. All you needed was your own DEC PDP10 mainframe and a suitable graphic= s terminal. Don't forget that a "state of the art" PC circa 1989 was a 386 with 4Mbyte = of memory and an EGA display. BillW -- http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/chang= e your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclis= t This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may be privileged. A= ny unauthorized use, copying, disclosure or dissemination of this communica= tion is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify = the sender immediately and delete all copies of the message and its attachm= ents. --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .