> I remember I spend about $2k for it. I would have been hand-taping in the late 70's, still have one or two mylar films around here somewhere, as the photographic process was still the most economic (and available) at the time. Although I looked at several free-ish CAD systems (EasyCAD, AutoTrax etc) ISTR they didn't compare too well with commercial products like Protel, which was just way out of my price range. I was still hand-taping boards, with some grumbling acceptance by at least one local board house, until about 10 years ago The obvious bottleneck was PC speed, particularly for functions like autorouting Then the supply of graphics dried up and forced my hand into CAD. Started with Eagle and a reasonable PC and have stuck with it since, no complaints. Even though I have a bona fide copy of Altium (not paid for by me, thankfully) Joe --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .