On Apr 29, 2013, at 11:54 AM, Harold Hallikainen wrote: > how many watts per square meter are available in sunlight times the cosin= e of the angle of incidence times PV area times various efficiencies approa= ching zero watts. Alas, you don't even need the fancy math. Just "watts per square meter in = sunlight" would be enough. This fallacy isn't unique to non-english speakers, or poorly written market= ing speak. People just misinterpret phrases like "the sun is a limitless s= ource of free energy." Check out the "solar" projects on kickstarter or in= diegogo... Remember this one: http://www.yankodesign.com/2011/07/14/oxygenated-noteboo= k/ ? Lovely concept. Pretty art. Chances of working? About zip. (grum= ble cursed "designers" "Form beyond Function" indeed!) (Hmm. Same site! Perhaps this is "The Onion" for technical stories.)=20 (Alas, it doesn't stop at "small" inaccuracies. I could argue that the who= le "biofuel" industry has an easily calculable overall efficiency that is s= o poor that the concept is close to a joke.) BillW --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .