Hat: Don't bother: > First simple rule: if they don't speak proper English, don't trust them > to know what they're doing. Fortunately, it's a SIMPLE rule :-) So much so that it seems to fail Einstein's simplicity test for minimum safe simplicity.. At first glance that sounded like low grade racism. Any grade of racism that's detectable is not at home here. BUT on inspection and for other reasons it is very likely low grade linguis= m. ie Not-English-phobic. That also is, of course, misguided, but in another class. Many people on Lyall's list had less problem with the use of English than do a very large proportion of people in "English speaking" country's so they are safe from the offered approbrium. However [tm] I suspect that (to reach far away from the present) many scientists in eg the old Soviet Union would not have had a masterly command of the English language. That didn't stop them copying development work by their also not necessarily English speaking neighbouring engineers, and building on it to gain a very significant advantage in rocket development over we the English speakers. Which continued for such an uncomfortably long time, notwithstanding some massive failings in key areas, that I won't start to trace its history. - Rusting sadly (or sadly rusting) on my front "lawn" is a car that in its (long ago) day (24 years ago) was THE fastest production car 0-30 mph on earth (as were all its stablemates). There is every probability that the Oriental gentlemen (and I use that term here with great respect) who developed this FerrariAstonMartinPorscheLambhorginiMaClaren beater knew or needed any capability in the English language. [Some say that they just copied what others did. Maybe. If so the copy did a faster 0-30 job than any of the originals :-) ]. - A know a number of China based Chinese national factory managers or technicians who know only very slightly more English than I know Chinese, but whose capabilities I am very convicned of. My inability to speak proper (or almost any) Chinese may make them wonder about me :-). A command of the Queen's English (even many Americans manage it :-)) is highly useful when you seek to convey your understanding to people who pretty much speak only English. But it's not a certain indicator of whether you should trust their capabilities. Russell McMahon --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .