Hello! I have designed a small board with mixed SMD and TH components, with both SMD and TH components only on top. Now I face the difficulties of mounting about 100 components for each board. It takes me a couple of days (!) for each board, which is too much. I can make excellent solder joints but it takes time! For the SMD (from 0603 on) I use a flux pen, I wet the PCB, place the component on, solder one terminal using a small spoon-like tip, then apply flux again, solder the other(s) pin, then apply flux again on the first one and resolder it to get a nicer, perfect joint. The result is perfect (probably better than what is done by automated machines) but it takes too much work and time. For the TH hole parts, I noticed it takes much more time than the SMD ones! So I first tried to move as many TH components to SMD technology, but there are some which is impossibile to "convert", e.g. transistors that take less board space in TH form because they extend vertically (this is a space advantage of TH vs SMD in some cases!), so I have about 30 TH components left that I have to solder manually. It takes a lot of time.. like 5 or more seconds to solder a joint, but then on the opposite side of the PTH board often the solder doesn't rise well and I have to resolder the opposite side too. I have to use the flux pen on 2 sides of the board now, and as the components are larger than the SMD ones, it takes even more time anyway. Because of check here, resolder there, fix that, oh shit I filled a hole there, etc.. it takes even 10 minutes for each component in the end! As I wanna assemble a small serie (100's) of my hobbyst product by hand I need to be more productive else I will have to raise the sale price in an unacceptable way. So I thought about various possibilities to become more productive, that I'd like you pros to evaluate if possible: 1) get at least the SMD parts done by a third party company. I will provide the gerber files for the PCB, the coordinates file for their pick 'n' place machine, and they'll make me the boards (half completed) for a convenient price, sourcing the components (mostly resistors and capacitors 0603,0805,1206) by themselves. So I buy their boards, in practice. Then I add the missing parts (as few as possible) and voil=E0. I will thus add by hand the most expensive components (if anything because I already bought them and I don't wanna waste them) and those components (TH?) which cannot be automatized. Can you suggest me some companies that would make the PCB and source and mount most of the components for me, at a reasonable price? I am located in the EU, I specify this because customs may otherwise turn a convenient company into one that is not. I have a self made oven and even stencils for this board, but then again the time it takes to pick and place manually the components is huge and I ended up soldering by hand, also because when you use stencils, etc.. there are even more errors you can do and to correct them takes a lot of time and stress. So I think that the only really productive solution would be the 1) above, i.e. get the board partially made by someone else which has nice automated machines to do it and can do it at a very convenient price. Yes but what company? 2) for the TH, would applying flux cream and using a solder pot a working solution to get a lot of solder work done at once? Theoretically this would be a great solution I thought.. but will it work? Will it affect the other SMD components already soldered on top of the board? The board has both SMD and TH components only on top. Thanks for any insights! Greetings, Mario --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .