On 4/7/2013 12:04 PM, Peter wrote: > Threading a wire through holes is a very bad way to make vias but sometim= es > it is the only option. Riveted through holes are supposed to be soldered > after riveting. Rivets can be hollow and also serve as pin pickups for > through hole parts, several makes are available. > > The good part about rivets is, they are relatively easily inserted and > riveted with a machine. The bad part is, you need oversized holes and pad= s > to take the rivets which can take a standard IC pin after that. Also, the > simple mechanical machine is VERY expensive. Rivets are sold by many > suppliers, among them, Farnell I think, they are relatively cheap per hol= e. > But installing them without the machine is not a good idea, even if solde= red > afterwards on both sides. > > I have used the threaded wire method and I use wire bridges made by hand = all > the time (single sided boards, milled). Hard to beat 30 minute turnaround > time on milled single sided boards with the CNC next door. But it took > almost 2 years to get the wrinkles out of the process and boards need to = be > redesigned and reimaged to be manufactured by other means. > > Tip: needle nosed pliers make great lead benders for jumper wires. Not in > the way one would expect. Eyeball the length of the jumper and use the > appropriate place on the needle nosed pliers jaws to catch the wire at th= e > needed width, then bend overhanging ends down using 2 fingers, insert int= o > PCB. Perfectly shaped jumper every time. > > -- Peter > > I stopped the proto process many years ago when I realized that the time=20 saved was an illusion. The resulting prototype was operationally so far from the actual=20 product that many more iterations were needed anyway. So, I checked carefully and made an actual PCB. It wasn't the final=20 product, but it was close. Best of all, I was able to get a number of things solved, such as running temperature, shape and=20 function, placement of logo and document numbers, and a thousand other=20 things that were almost impossible to make by "guess". My time is just=20 too valuable. Find a reasonable low-volume house that will make a board as close to=20 the final production board as possible. Ya never know, you might get it "right" the 1st time! ------------------------- Rivets as thru-holes: indeed, you saw 'em on military boards. In the olden days, when I was young and stupid (I'm old and stupid, now)=20 I worked for a military contractor. The rivets were there because the=20 thruhole plating process was too fragile, and the components wouldn't=20 stay on the PCB after vibration testing. As the parts were reduced in=20 size and weight, it became less of a problem. --Bob A --=20 The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary. VINCE LOMBARDI --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .