Looks like I still exist here. That said, I found this yesterday, which=20 may be of interest to those of you who make your own PCB's... http://www.megauk.com/through_hole_rivets.php This was the biggest reason I stopped DIY PCB's, but now I mostly need=20 6mil trace/space, so I'll still to commercial. Cheers, -Neil. --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .