On 2013-03-27 8:34 AM, Byron Jeff wrote: > I'm not sure better is the right word, but I'm holding out hope for the > 16F1459/16F1455/16F1454 group. They are Microchip's USB entries in the en= hanced > Midrange Family. It runs USB up to full speed. It can use the 16 Mhz > internal oscillator and 3X PLL to generate the 48 Mhz USB clock. The data > sheet claims both internal and debug header debugging modes. >=20 > Debugging isn't on my critical list. But being in the 16F enhanced family= , > having USB, and not requiring an external crystal are all winners with me= .. Man, you guys must be my long-lost brothers. Those two (and the 16F1455) are the exact same chips I sampled recently. And I love my PICKit2, haven't tried with the 16F1455 yet though. Should be pretty easy to update it with new device files though. If I get around to it, I'll make a repository on Github or something with scripts to auto create/patch the device file. Shame on Microchip for not updating it. And USB with internal oscillator and debug is a must for me. Time to look at the PIC18F25J50. --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .