In another installemnt on RFI mitigation, I spent 1 hour today debugging th= e cheap PC speakers on my desk which have been whistling/singing pocsag/cell= =20 tower melodies for 1.5 years now. I had enough and I proceeded to silence t= hem. I still do not know what exactly causes them to go blabeepblabeepblabeep al= l=20 the time even with volume set to zero. Inside, the usual cheap phenolic pcb= , containing rectifier bridge, obligatory too low voltage caps for the=20 transformer at idle (changed them), a potentiometer and a TDA2822M dip audi= o=20 amp from NXP. And it received the blabeepblabeepblabeep with enthusiasm. 500pF caps on th= e input cable, "shielded" low cost cable to PC sound output, did not help. Ge= tting my hand closer and further to the bare board made the electronic music get quieter (!) then louder again. It was almost okay with my hand at about 5cm= .. I can't sit like that, I get cramps. I do not know what wavelength it was, bu= t 5-6cm would be right for roughly lambda/2 at 2.4GHz. Removed the laptop fro= m the vicinity, same. Phone removed, same. Eventually it took 2 ferrite donut cores on which all cables going to the b= oard made one turn to get the noise down to half... but it was still there. So I took a look at what was left: the cca. 10cm (magic number!) long wires= from the board to the speaker which was in the box with the amp, the other one b= eing the remote one, and on an already donut equipped wire. After changing the w= ire length and sacrificing another donut to the RFI gods (you have to admit tha= t the RFI gods have high expectations, putting donuts on 10cm wires inside $9 PC speakers...), it was QUIET. So I put it back where it usually stands, and it started singing again. So = I grabbed the nearest ferrite objects I could find without waslking away from= my desk, two E halves about 3cm on the long edge, and wrapped as many turns of= the wire between the speakers and of the input audio "shielded" wire around eac= h, and held them in place with bread bag ties. It works! So, to make a low frequency, ~1W, $1 small integrated amp (NXP TDA2822M) wo= rk in a soho environment in anno domini 2013, the following supplies were needed: - one guy with some experience in RFI gods placation - 2 good ferrite toroid cores, about 1.5cm o.d. each, of unknown material - 1 good ferrite toroid core, about 5mm o.d., also unknown origin - 2 E ferrite cores about 3cm on the long edge, ~6mm thick - 2 bread bag zip ties - 2 500pF disk caps - a small mod to the pcb which had a ground interrupted in some location i= n the hope to cut ground loops - in this case it made the ground plane of the pcb= a better antenna so I shunted the gap in the ground with some thick wire. - almost 2 hours of work After this, I can STILL hear the free electronic music faintly in the backg= round with the PC off and regardless of set PC speaker volume. I do live in downtown and there are lots of cell towers and whatnot here, b= ut this is going a little too far. I had similar but different adventures with= many other ic's in the past, including with LM386s which liked to oscillate at >= 15MHz and to rectifiy cell phone pulsed signals. I do understand that die shrinks are necessary but does ANYONE test for susceptance after the fact? I mean, I was about to improvise a tin can shie= ld for an audio amp?! Please share your experiences, I believe that the subject is a painful one = to=20 many. -- Peter --=20 http://www.piclist.com/techref/piclist PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .