> I had issues with every ETI project I ever attempted Funny how people's experiences differ My ETI builds started in the late 70s, mostly musically-orientated. Pretty sure my very first "big" project was the dual stage strobe. Being unused to large caps charged with mains, it was a memorable project !!! Next was the ETI4600 synthesiser, which works flawlessly. Still have it. Ditto the ETI480 50/100W amp, made several of those, as well as the 300W. Refurbishing one at the moment. David Tilbrook's pre-amps (the 4000 & 5000 series) were state-of-the-art About the same time was the ETI660. A little marvel for its time. A CDP1802 micro with 4k RAM, colour (V2.0) and TV screen output What an introduction to machine code, all entered through a hex pad !!! A BASIC ROM was available shortly after. Still have that too. Should dig it out one day, some nice little games I always thought ETI a cut above EA, in styling for example. Some of their stuff just looked old-fashioned. For example wooden cases, whereas ETI tended towards metal, particularly black anodised, which I like the look of However, the EA project which drew a line under them for me was the video frame grabber. Possibly mid-90's ? The errors were being published piecemeal for almost 18 months if I recall. The original article should never have got into print. It was a serious investment in people's time and effort, many complained bitterly Trust and reputation can't be under-estimated Joe --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .