> > More worrying than the fake Li-Ion cells is the quality of some > > of the Li-Ion chargers > A reasonably OK LiIon charger is easyish. Charge LiIon / LiPoly with 4.2V/cell current limited to <=3D 1C (or C/2 for some cells) and it will safely enough charge most cells OK. Stop when voltage reaches 4.2V/cell (clamped to lower that during current limited V ramp up) and you have optimum storage point for long life. Or allow to current tail down and stop at say 25% of I max for a reasonably complete charge. Charging very discharged cells with that system may be exciting. For LiFePO4 replace 4.2V/cell with 3.6V/cell and do much the same. Lower Vmax by 0.05V to 0.1V for longer life (& lower capacity). __________________ NimH voltage limit to 1.45V/cell at 25C and all is usually not too bad. Russell > --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .