> More worrying than the fake Li-Ion cells is the quality of some > of the Li-Ion chargers Ditto for cordless tool chargers. Might possibly be one or two top name - eg Dewalt - that are reasonable. You pay enough for the tools to deserve a decent charger The Black & Decker 'charger' that stuffed the pack of NiCd I want to replace is simply a rough 21VDC. No PCB, no smarts, certainly not enough DC to charge an 18V pack and I doubt it would put out 0.5A I agree that the consumer is the problem. The South Park episode Something Wall-Mart This Way Comes sums it up pretty nicely Joe --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .