> I am simply saying that math should be simpler than it is and > all the complexity is pointing to us getting the basics wrong To be fair, "simpler" and "complexity" are quite subjective words, it depends on what level of expertise you have I didn't progress much past school maths, mostly because I don't need to. The applied maths and trig etc I learned does for my day- to-day stuff. Anybody who can do tertiary maths has my admiration I used to subscribe to Scientific American and remember reading an article about the proofs and calculations of tesselations. Very abstract and heavy going. Apparently it proved something in the end but my attention wandered back to the pictures of Jupiter before I got to that As abstract as it was, it was all securely founded on first principles, so I'm not really sure what you mean by "pointing to us getting the basics wrong". You have to use the time-tested ladder rungs on the way to lofty heights As always, everything is peer reviewed and every nook and cranny is thoroughly poked into and has many torches shone in, probably now even more so than ever, so if you get something wrong, you'll be told about it in no uncertain terms > Pi... what a smoking gun :-) Ah, it's a wonderful magic number is pi --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .