OK. So far nobody has actually even tried to breach the mystique :-). I can do all the std stuff. It just has an unintuitive gap in it. So far. > that residual voodoo you were complaining about, if you parse finely - I > think Maxwell had it right - demons... :) Maxwell's Demon actually makes sense. When he introduced the idea he didn't think it through well enough (unusual for Maxwell) and he failed to realize you could actually build what he described. Otherwise known as Hilsch Vortex tube, or Wiebelrohr (sp?) or vortex tube o= r ... I built one a decade or so ago. Maybe two ? :-) Less good than I'd hoped. May revisit one of these decades. Certainly fun. Also noisy and inefficient. And, heat pumps are still non intuitive :-) Gargoyles ... OK, here we go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vortex_tube http://www.instructables.com/id/The-Hilsch-vortex-tube/ Even hackaday: http://hackaday.com/2012/05/17/building-a-ranque-hilsch-vortex-cooling-tube= / Pictures galore https://www.google.com/search?q=3Dhilsch+vortex+tube&hl=3Den&tbo=3Du&tbm=3D= isch&source=3Duniv&sa=3DX&ei=3DPBvfUPiWC8zGmQWAxoGwBQ&sqi=3D2&ved=3D0CE4QsA= Q&biw=3D2133&bih=3D1201 Aha This picture is from the article that got me started on this http://blog.makezine.com/2006/05/11/the-hilsch-vortex-tube/ Here is a copy of the full original 1958 I would have seen it a while after that :-) http://www.visi.com/~darus/hilsch/ Commercial one operating - video http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=3Dendscreen&NR=3D1&v=3DwJ6-bnjn9Es Short but nice paper thereon, 2010 http://www.me.berkeley.edu/~gtdevera/notes/vortextube.pdf But heatpumps ... Anyone get the idea yet that I'm not just talking about basic mecahnics etc thereof? Russell > > The book I referenced earlier is a gem of clear thinking on the subject, > written by two long-serving Columbia University profs. Good stuff. > > Jack > -- > http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive > View/change your membership options at > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .