I use MPLAB 8.5. I will probably update to the latest normal MPLAB=20 (prob 8.7), but advance no further for at least this project. I found a=20 wonderful, cheap, PCB breadboard on EBAY that works very well for=20 learning the PIC16F1939, and since the PIC16F1829 is almost a clone (but=20 with 20 pins), I think this will carry me. Unfortunately, the breadboard's documentation is written in another=20 language (Israeli, I think), I must pore over the schematic carefully=20 to understand what is happening. Luckily, schematics are our universal.=20 language. I am also impressed by the the F1939. With a 16-level stack and the=20 ability to detect stack over- and underflow, its now possible to know=20 exactly what is going on. A top speed of 32M helps a lot, too. And (wait=20 for it)..., it costs 1/3 as much as an 'F877. So, I am planning to write it in Jalv2. The dual serial ports will allow=20 one to be used as a debugger/bootloader. The kids at Jalv2 are working=20 hard to clean Jalv2 up, and I like the 'feel' of the language. --Bob A On 11/20/2012 12:27 AM, John Chung wrote: > Thanks for the info. I still have my ICD3 in the box. Now there is an inc= entive to use it. > > Which IDE do you use? > > John > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Bob Axtell > To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 5:40 AM > Subject: [PIC] ICD3 Comments > =20 > well, I have spent my first week using the ICD3 insead of the ICD2 / > clones. > > I'm sold. > > The ICD3 works faster and more reliably than the ICD2. Microchip should > have replaced the hockey-puck case, 'cause the ICD3 is a completely > different animal. Its like comparing a house cat. to a cheetah. > > I am using it for PIC16F1829 and PIC16F1939. Neither of these .chips is > given the correct VPP voltage level by an ICD2. The download speed is > 5x+ the ICD2.The messages are more undersdtandable, too. > > IT IS WORTH THE SWITCH! > > --Bob A > > --=20 --------------- PIC10/12/16/18 MPASM or Jalv2 coding delivered FAST1 We'll use your breadboard or prototype. Email me. --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .