well, I have spent my first week using the ICD3 insead of the ICD2 /=20 clones. I'm sold. The ICD3 works faster and more reliably than the ICD2. Microchip should=20 have replaced the hockey-puck case, 'cause the ICD3 is a completely=20 different animal. Its like comparing a house cat. to a cheetah. I am using it for PIC16F1829 and PIC16F1939. Neither of these .chips is=20 given the correct VPP voltage level by an ICD2. The download speed is=20 5x+ the ICD2.The messages are more undersdtandable, too. IT IS WORTH THE SWITCH! --Bob A --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .