> Alan, >=20 > That is correct... all PCB CAD/CAM tools abide by the same basic concepts= .. > One has a schematic symbol which is associated with a 'Part' (physical 'f= ootprint' > of some kind) if actual manufacturing is to be contemplated. >=20 .... >=20 > The problem, as you say, is if you want to make this thing...whatsoever P= CB package > is applied, the relationships between it and the symbolic stuff you've dr= awn will > have to be set up....by somebody..somewhere, and this takes both knowledg= e and > effort. >=20 > There are no free magic bullets ;-) > > > > So far a strong and unexpected (to me) though obvious contender is > > LT-SPICE's schematic editor. > > > It does NOT allow PCB fabrication but does allow very quick and > > intuitive simple schematic production for GUI aware users. But I think you missed my point LTspice is a Spice program, not a PCB CAD/= CAM program, and on the LTspice forum there are periodic requests about how= to take the LTspice schematic and lay out a PCB from it. The short answer = is that it is quicker to redraw the schematic in a CAD/CAM package that is = doing all the associations with packages and pins (with apologies to The Ow= l and the Pussycat, or was it some other Lewis Carroll poem) than to start = from LTSpice. People have tried to take an LTspice netlist, and import into a PCB program= , and it always seems to end in lots of wasted effort.=20 I take Russells point that it does allow easy schematic entry, but that was= n't the object of his original request, AIUI, which is why I made the point= that you can't go further with PCB layout. --=20 Scanned by iCritical. --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .