Glad to see it sparked some debate, but just qualifying that the RS232 bit is only a very small part in my case; I was only going to use it in the development stage (via PICKIT2) for getting initial sensor value readings, so I have some sort of idea of what sort of triggering/filtering functions I need to write, what the various threshhold points are etc. No major comms, just say 10secs worth of data connection. Repeated over quite a few tests, to make sure the data is consistent. After that, there won't be any comms whatsoever in the "deployed" version, purely the sound system, and that's sound effects rather than voice/music. I guess it won't hurt to just experiment with the OSC set to internal FRC rather than the external crystal, and see how it goes. As it is, I need to re-do the power supply of the PCB anyway; I took into account the current requirements of the opertion of the class-D audio amp, but forgot about the power for actual amplification! Thanks Lee resonator). It may be okay if the temperature range is very limited (say, a in-factory configuration port), the other side is known to be accurate (say a PC), and the consequences of failure are minimal. Generally, though, you're safer with a resonator or xtal. -- sp =20 --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .