Robin Bussell wrote: > I'd love to hear Russell's (or anyone else's for that matter ) take on > what these two are doing: > http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/alex9000/the-solar-pocket-factory-an-= invention-adventure Not a lot compared to what other people are offering on ebay and the internet in general - and in fact less than some others BUT they do offer a kitset and some get you going impetus which is helpful to some. I did like their clothespeg instant charger. Very cute http://www.instructables.com/id/Five-minute-solar-phone-charger= / An area which is vitally crucial (or crucially vital) that they do not seem to have come to grips with yet is the range of extremely important roles that encapulants play in making a PV panel. They are currently offering epoxy resin. As they correctly observe, epoxy is good for about two years of UV exposure - and that depends on which epoxy you happen to use and whether you leave the PV panels in the weather all the time or not. Epoxy is a very poor material in many ways and was traditionally used because it was easy to use, relatively cheap and available. A quick skim indicates they do not do vacuum outgassing (can be done with low tech equipment if desired) which cam be a major requirement. depending on other factors. I will not go into vast details on what and why an encapsulant should be like but a good summary is low modulus (flexible) when set, excellent voidless adhesion to PV material, low dissolved water content, minimal UV degradation, minimal corrosive degradation products with time. Note that water permeability is not the same as dissolved water % and that the former is far less important. For detailed reasons why please advise consulting rates paid :-). Russell McMahon. --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .