Hi Denny, My suggestion would be to specify the absolute-must-have requirements as such, and then list the "also desirables" separately. Repeat the absolute-must-haves with a reminder that these are absolute-must-haves. When I read it and after your followup description, I'd say there are about two A-M-H's. From your listing, it's hard to say what's most important. Ask for a description of one relevant recent project to accompany the resume/application. That will give you an instant idea about the applicant. You'll always have a lot of applicants who apply for every possible job, but that's what you have to put up with when hiring. Friendly regards, Bob On Wed, Sep 12, 2012, at 11:27 AM, Denny Esterline wrote: > As some of you may recall, I posted a job opportunity about a month ago > (repeated below). Among other things I'm surprisingly disappointed in the > type of applicants it's been attracting. Absolutely none of them are even > close to what I expected when I wrote this description. I'm hoping that > the > list can give me a few thoughts about what's wrong with it and how to fix > it. >=20 > It's attracted many competent "consultant" types that want to work > remotely, but due to various corporate concerns this is an absolute non > starter. That seems strait forward to correct, a blurb about "Full time, > in > office position. Relocation to Tucson, AZ required" should help. >=20 > It's attracted a surprising number of PhDs with zero practical experience > at this level. Thesis work in optimizing an image processing algorithm > within Linux on ARM9 hardware is not relevant here. And because they have > a > PhD they want 2-3 times our planned pay structure. Not sure how to fix > that. >=20 > The other group is complete script kiddies that > think because they once clicked the "view/source" option on their browser > and can identify at least two html tags that qualifies them for an > embedded > programming job. They're easy enough to toss in the round file but it's > another symptom that I've wrote this ad incorrectly. >=20 >=20 > So, what I actually need... > I've built the hardware. I've wrote some crude software so we could > support > a couple demos and trade shows. It works, but I'm under no illusions that > it's _good_. The system is primarily a handheld user interface linked by > CAN to a 1kW brushless motor and an application specific end effector. > All > based on dsPICs. The user interface and motor component will be common, > but > as the product develops we will end up with literally hundreds of > different > end effectors and even end users with the same end effector will likely > need slight parameter changes. Many of these end effectors will be for > applications we can't even guess at right now. > I need somebody who will be in my Tucson, AZ office full time. Myself or > others that better understand the mechanics of the customer equipment > this > system operates will be available to help define each application, but I > need a "code monkey" to actually crank out the details. > I don't really care about age, education or "formal" experience. I want > somebody who can actually do this task with a minimum of hand holding. > I'd > much rather have a green kid that actually built an interface to his TI > calculator in high school than the above mentioned PhD. >=20 >=20 > So, what did I do wrong with the ad copy below? > -Denny >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > JOB DESCRIPTION >=20 > Responsibilities include firmware development and design, (start to > finish), of assigned product project. >=20 > REQUIREMENTS INCLUDE >=20 > * B.S. in Computer Science, Engineering or other closely related fields > * 2+ years experience as a software engineer within a manufacturing > environment > * Experience working with embedded C programming, low level control > processing, (Interrupts, Timers, Digital I/O, ADC), serial communication > protocols (CAN, I2C, RS232, SPI) > * Experience in application development (C++ or Java) and SDKs (Visual > studio/GNU) > * Expertise in mechatronics > * Expertise on Microchip DSPic and other microcontrollers > * Expertise in closed-loop control systems > * Excellent communication skills, (written, and verbal) > * Strong attention to details, highly organized > * Ability to work well in a fast-paced professional office environment >=20 > As an industry leader, we are committed to maintaining the outstanding > level of quality services our customers expect. 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