....Btw, years back... Yes, that occured to me - Once there was only ".inc", but now ".dev" too, and Bog knows what else - And where to get them... Jan-Erik is correct about just importing the hex file into the programmer app, of course - That'll do for now. Any thoughts about MPLAB X? I don't hear a lot of weeping & gnashing of teeth, so maybe it works? Jack --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .