> usually this magic phrase works in all customer care or > technical support services: "I would like to escalate this > problem" Thanks, I'll remember that Don't get me wrong - the support staff are probably ordinary decent people, but they really seem to have been trained only up to a certain level and I appreciate that they must receive a veritable mountain of bunny questions with easy answers. I would just like them to realise that occassionally they will face a question that needs technical beyond their training and pass it on a bit quicker Joe --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .