I used the RC oscillator reliably on hundreds of 16F872-based boards=20 using a 4.7k resistor and 56pf resistor. It's been a while, but IIRC=20 the frequency was around 1Mhz (but don't hold me to that). Also never=20 understood why ballpark values weren't put in the datasheet, and=20 would've liked something more "known", but RC was great for debugging --=20 I could drop in a much larger cap and slow down the PIC to a crawl, so=20 LED's would serve as a crude logic analyzer. Cheers, -Neil. On 8/22/2012 10:29 AM, Peter P. wrote: > I made the RC osc work on 16f57. It requires a minimum of 18k as R to wor= k at all. I chose 22k for reliability. With 18k and 47pF at 5V and 30C it r= an at about 100kHz (at CLK2 =3D=3D CLK1/4). I would really like to not than= k mchip for not wasting the 3 minutes it takes to put in some decent limits= for the R and the C. The 18k minimum R is significantly different from pre= viously listed minimums (about 10 times higher than the one implied for 16c= 57, the last chip of this class for which I found data in its datasheet). > > With lead frame capacitance given as ~5pF for DIP I infer that the RC osc= can go about 8 times faster than with 47pF external cap, namely about 800k= Hz maximum core clock (6.4MHz at CLK1). > > -- Peter > --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .