I made the RC osc work on 16f57. It requires a minimum of 18k as R to work = at all. I chose 22k for reliability. With 18k and 47pF at 5V and 30C it ran= at about 100kHz (at CLK2 =3D=3D CLK1/4). I would really like to not thank = mchip for not wasting the 3 minutes it takes to put in some decent limits f= or the R and the C. The 18k minimum R is significantly different from previ= ously listed minimums (about 10 times higher than the one implied for 16c57= , the last chip of this class for which I found data in its datasheet). With lead frame capacitance given as ~5pF for DIP I infer that the RC osc c= an go about 8 times faster than with 47pF external cap, namely about 800kHz= maximum core clock (6.4MHz at CLK1). -- Peter --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .