Mark, how are you progressing with your wood burning idea ? I've been looking into a few things (but not the lasers !!) and believe there's a cheap and workable solution In this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DXV-if-oqXn4 the diode from a DVD burner is being used to mark wood, and fairly quickly too (I notice that so many people take these lasers very lightly indeed. Class 3B is dangerous. One thing that surprised me is that just about everyone sells high power lasers but very very few sell glasses/goggles) Over the past few weeks I've found 7 broken 16x DVD burners in workshop and scrapdealer bins, and free. All of them have working diodes, both the high power red writer and the lower power IR reader Here's a driver circuit I've been working on http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/joecolquitt/burner_schematic.gif I'm awaiting some laser glasses before proceeding with full-power tests but in the meantime have sorted out the jigs and optics. I've also designed the copying mechanism but not yet built anything. The stepper motors from the drives will come in handy for that In addition to the collimating lens used in the video above, and others like it, I'll add a focussing lens to get a finer line which would be burned more quickly One idea I had was to find a chemical that would react to a red or IR laser and darken, kind of like invisible ink, but so far I've not found one. Maybe I'll try good ol' lemon juice one day I'll keep you posted Joe --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .