On Mon, Aug 6, 2012, at 09:15 AM, Carl Denk wrote: > As far as I know, all automatics have a fluid coupling (torque=20 > converter) which absorbs some of the jerk when clutch(s) are engaging.=20 Dual-clutch transmissions are not called automatics, and there is no fluid coupling. Take a look here, pull up the video under "Take a look at M double clutch transmission in action" After a few minutes there is an exploded view and you can see the flywheel and two clutches. No fluid coupling at all: http://www.bmw.com/com/en/newvehicles/mseries/m3convertible/2008/allfacts/e= ngine/m_dkg_drivelogic1.html When you are sitting at idle there is no engagement whatsoever until you give it a little throttle. If you tap the accellerator a little it will start engaging. This is what I felt in a 2008 M3. Depending on how I set the transmission "dynamic" button it varied the way it acted, but it did not feel "fluid", and the video clearly shows how direct it is. Best regards, Bob --=20 http://www.fastmail.fm - Does exactly what it says on the tin --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .