I think doing this so is not a good idea anyways. You should apply the break for holding the position of the car, not clutching with the manual or playing with the gas on an automatic. I even ended up putting the gear selector to neutral on the automatic when there is a longer red sequence -- as even at the idle speed it tries to pull the car a little bit which abuses the drive train -- similar to holding the position on a slope -- and also burning more fuel in the meanwhile. On manual more people are doing this so as pushing the clutch pedal makes your left leg tired. Tamas On 5 August 2012 08:00, Sean Breheny wrote: > On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 2:26 PM, Gerhard Fiedler > wrote: > > But then there are the newer automatic transmissions of mostly European > > descent. They are dual-clutch gearboxes, essentially a manual > > transmission with a clutch that can be easier controlled automatically > > than the clutch of a standard manual transmission. These together with > > an electronic drivetrain controller gives an automatic transmission tha= t > > has transmission characteristics that are more similar to classic manua= l > > transmissions than to classic (hydraulic) automatic transmissions. > > > > Gerhard, > > I am curious - do these dual-clutch automatic transmissions > automatically slip the clutch to provide static torque? For example, > what happens if you are facing up a hill and you try to apply just > enough throttle to hold position on the hill? The torque-converter > type transmission can just dissipate the engine's work as heat in the > fluid of the converter. A person would normally do this by slipping > the clutch on a manual transmission, I think. It would seem that the > automatic transmission using clutches would have a higher risk of > damaging the clutches if it were driven by someone who was used to the > torque-converter type because there might be a lot of clutch slipping > going on. > > Sean > -- > http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive > View/change your membership options at > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist > --=20 int main() { char *a,*s,*q; printf(s=3D"int main() { char *a,*s,*q; printf(s=3D%s%s%s, q=3D%s%s%s%s,s,q,q,a=3D%s%s%s%s,q,q,q,a,a,q); }", q=3D"\"",s,q,q,a=3D"\\",q,q,q,a,a,q); } --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .