Hi Everyone, I have a weird experience on fuel efficiency recently. I have bought a Volkswagen Tiguan 2.0L with 6 speed automatic gearbox. The gearbox has a full auto mode and a manual shift mode too. I thought I will try to save some fuel by using it in manual mode as I thought I am more clever than some computers, but eventually I am not! I have got about 18mpg whereas about 22 or even better if I just leave the shifting to the chips and oil pressure and whatnot. Pretty much I am experiencing the official mpg (except that this is not a real manual, however, because of the very same gearbox, there is no possible differences in between gear ratio in anyhow) https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/2012_Volkswagen_Tiguan.shtml I always thought the automatic is not good for saving on fuel, at least that is the preconception in Europe. Is my experience totally wrong meaning that is only my bad driving habits, or this must be true for every average drivers or even to advanced drivers (advanced =3D I mean not the average wh= o thinks they are advanced, but professional drivers who are learning these stuff). Are new automatics that good? Is this a solution for saving the world and reduce the carbon footprint? Tamas --=20 int main() { char *a,*s,*q; printf(s=3D"int main() { char *a,*s,*q; printf(s=3D%s%s%s, q=3D%s%s%s%s,s,q,q,a=3D%s%s%s%s,q,q,q,a,a,q); }", q=3D"\"",s,q,q,a=3D"\\",q,q,q,a,a,q); } --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .