Recently the wife had a dead battery with our 2002 Mercury Cougar. There=20 was no illuminated warning light. Checking the cars official service=20 manual, I find the following paragraph: " If there is an open circuit in the regulator (built in) or generator=20 rotor circuits, the warning lamp will not illuminate" Per the owner's manual, supposedly the charging system warning is=20 supposed to warn of low voltage, but wasn't on with engine running (jump=20 start) and 10 volt battery voltage. In this case the fault was worn rotor slip rings in the generator=20 (that's what they call it, it's an alternator). I'm thinking of adding a low voltage warning LED. Space is extremely=20 limited, and yet keep the installation neat looking and visible to the=20 driver, but there is an unused module between the traction control and=20 rear defroster switches that an LED could be mounted. Otherwise I would=20 prefer a 3 digit display of voltage. To control the LED thinking of a 12F PIC, need one ADC to monitor the=20 battery (system) voltage, and one output to control the LED, including a=20 flashing mode. The Pic would preferably have a built oscillator, then=20 there would be voltage regulator, a couple of caps, and a few resistors.=20 I still am through the hole, and not into surface mount. I do have a=20 PICKIT 2 for programming, and usually use 18F13220 for my projects.=20 Haven't tried to look yet for the exact PIC yet, but will after I settle=20 on some of the issues here. I would have preferred monitoring the amperage to/from the battery, but=20 that cable goes directly from the battery to the starter in an=20 inaccessible area, and then to the vehicle system. Adding a shunt in=20 that area is not feasible, though a hall effect or other device is=20 possible, then if the battery is discharging for more than a short=20 period, set the warning. Thanking ahead for any comments. :) --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .