> My 1W blue works nicely on wood Dave, how are you defining "1W" ? I've seen several advertised as 1000mW or better, like these http://nz.ioffer.com/i/waterproof-3000mw-green-laser-pointer-burn-match-502= 182962 Small print for some of them states the output power at only a few hundred mW (1) would you expect something around 20% efficiency, i/p v o/p ? (2) what spot size can yours or these be focussed to ? (3) do Chinese-made lasers have the same reputation as LEDs ? (4) can you *really* make a dot on a star ? ;-))) http://nz.ioffer.com/i/power-green-laser-pointer-5000mw-532nm-burn-match-50= 2179752 Joe=20 --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .