I was curious if someone had designed a better clamp. Looks like someone=20 has, seems a bit overkill for most , but I have to admit, it is one hell=20 of a design. http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5030106.pdf Mark --=20 http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist .